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Perry J. Greenbaum 🇨🇦 🦜's avatar

You made what seems like a persuasive argument for voluntary population control, which is to say that women have fewer children. This is already the case in heavily industrialized nations, where replacement rates are well below 2.1.

Such is not the case, however, in many of the economically poorer nations of Africa. For example, Niger leads with a birth rate of 6.6. A good part of the reason is tradition; another is economic, with larger famalies a hedge against poverty.

So, there is an irony at play here. Should African nations like Niger become wealthy and thus encourage a lower birth rate, it would be like other economically wealthy nations that deforest, destroy habitats, exploit the earth, have high consumption rates, use a lot of plastic, be consumerist, etc. In other words, do unbelievable harm to our Earth like we here in the West do.

It is us, the wealthy nations (I live in Canada) that do the greatest harm, both in absolute terms and in.per capita terms--much more than the combined effects of the poorer nations of Africa. Look at the carbon footprint of African nations. Look at water usage. Look at any figure related to climate change. Miniscule by comparison.

Sorry, Jason, I do not agree with this argument that voluntary population control is necessary. Or what is contributing in any significant way to making our Earth unsustainable. The science behind it is shaky at best.

Here is what I believe and I have written about it, and the science behind it is rock solid and undeniable.

We here have to change our way of thinking. We ought to view ourselves, homo sapiens, as the greatest threat to our Earth, chiefly because of our consumerist, exploitive and dominant appetites. Yet, it might already be too late for us obnoxious and arrogant humans, particularly us here in wealthy nations, who have removed ourselves from seeing our place within Nature.

Regardless, Nature is beginning to act

It is a certainty that we will blow past 1.5C and hit 2C by 2032 and likely 2.5C by 2100, if not 3C. The scenarios are not good. This is reality. Nature has spoken; Humans have refused to listen. Nature always has the last word.

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Michael's avatar

I think it was Cato the censor who prefaced every speech he gave in the Roman Senate with the phrase, "Cartago delenda est." Carthage must be destroyed. Likewise, I just keep reiterating, "Depopulate. Rewild.". There are just two many of us. By far. 8 billion is too many. Four billion is too many. Even 2 billion is too many. We need to bring our numbers down to below a billion. Even then, we are a risk to the world. We are a virus the planet has no antidote for, is defenseless against. And my hope is that we will bring ourselves under control, before there is nothing left but us and our client species.

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